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it seriously. toes a real option and we should be exploring it. if it helps to put pressure on hamid karzai and other afghan officials as well as regional powers to let them know that we could be gone and they need to fix this problem and fix the problem in their region, then great. >> bing we, doou think i cold wh s said, an effort to put pressure on president karzai? >> well, i hope so and i like the way celeste framed it but president karzai is so erratic that you don't know how he is going to react to anything so i prefer that we not do those things in public because he is really not that reliable. he is a little bit nutty himself. >> well, we appreciate you both talking with us. we know president karzai will be meeting with president obama on friday. bing west, celeste ward gventer, thank you. >> thank you so much, judy. > thank y. >> brown: next, a science and medical story involving research from the frontiers of robotics. ray suarez looks at how doctors are using high tech toys to help people with special needs. >> what's your favorite game? >> "mario cart," the original. >> report
, after 2014. the issue is expected to come up friday, when afghan president hamid karzai meets with president obama at the white house. but if past experience is any indicator, agreement may be hard to come by. in 2011, negotiations to leave american trainers in iraq broke down over the immunity question and no u.s. troops remain there. for more on the troop levels after 2014 we get two views: bing west fought in the vietm war with the marines and served as assistant secretary of defense during the reagan administration. he's traveled frequently to afghanistan and authored eight books including "the wrong war: grit, strategy and the way out of afghanistan." and celeste ward gventer was a deputy assistant secretary of defense in 2006 and 2007. she also served as an advisor to u.s. political and military leaders in iraq. she's now at the university of texas in austin. and we tnk youoth fo joining us. bing west, to you first, is it a good idea to even be considering going to zero troops after 2014? >> judy, i think it's nuts. i think it was a highly injudicious statement. our troo
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